========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Mon, 4 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 748 Today's Topics: 'Form' math prog details.... FORM, nice but... (2 msgs) Form Doc's GNU C Floating Point Math Harddrive Questions??? LNYX Spreadsheet or Finance Package? Ultrascript experience ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Dec 89 16:33:25 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: 'Form' math prog details.... Message-ID: <473a1ade.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <2230@tukki.jyu.fi>, suhonen@tukki.jyu.fi (Timo Suhonen) writes: > In manual (or in readme-file) it says that FORM needs 1M RAM and a HD > (not sure about that; I just feel I read it from somewhear). But I think > you should be able to use it at lest for small problems with SS floppy > disk and 1M memory. I have used FORM 1 (one!) day with my 1M 520ST and > a HD. It works really fine!!! I think FORM is one of the best programs > I have for my ST. > > Hope this helps a little... > > -- > Timo Suhonen suhonen@tukki.jyu.fi > I logged in, therefor I am Could someone please repost the manual to FORM in ASCII?? I have it in the DVI format and I don't have the proper DVI tools to convert it to ASCII. Other than that I haven't looked at FORM. Does anyone know how to get DVI to work on an Apollo UNIX based workstation? I don't have any files for my Apollo for DVI. If I could get DVI working on my Apollo I would repost the manual in ASCII myself. -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 16:51:55 GMT From: avogel@g.ms.uky.edu (Andrew Lee Vogel) Subject: FORM, nice but... Message-ID: <13401@s.ms.uky.edu> Since it's a topic of discussion: I was very pleased to find the document in dvi format, thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 17:24:22 GMT From: maytag!watserv1!bmaraldo@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) Subject: FORM, nice but... Message-ID: <298@watserv1.waterloo.edu> In article <574@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t68@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren) writes: >Concerning the format of the form.dvi file: >It is a great paper saver if you happen to use civilized >paper sizes. The size is A5. Two A5 pages make one A4 sheet. Granted. But here in North American we are stuck with stupid sizes like letter and legal. >Now what is inclusive speech? Should I have written the manual >in fortran? I hope you are kidding, but in case you aren't: Inclusive speech includes both the male and female genders. Instead of saying 'Go to the doctor, he'll fix you up' you must say 'Go to the doctor, he or she will fix you up.' Brett L Maraldo -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- "Alien Technology Today" bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca ?uunet!clyde!utai?!watserv1!bmaraldo ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 08:54:27 GMT From: psuvm!jjl101@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: Form Doc's Message-ID: <89338.035427JJL101@PSUVM.BITNET> Is there anyone that knows where I could get a copy of the Documents to Form other than in DVI form....preferably in straight ASCII type. ------- ******************************************************************** * J.J. * JJL101@psuvm.bitnet * * * Penn State Center for Academic Computing * * John Lehett * Computational Mathematics * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 16:30:59 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!aplcen!jhunix!esp_05@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Stdnt 05) Subject: GNU C Floating Point Math Message-ID: <3497@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> Does anyone have any experience with GNU C and using floating point math? From my brief experiences of trying to write some 3D animation in GNU C (or should I say my brief run-in with GNU C) I have uncovered an unreasonably large number of errors in the floating point handling. Admittedly, a number of them cleared up when I stopped using -mshort, even though I used -lpml16 whenever I used -mshort. Some of the errors include: cos(0) doesn't seem to work (x*x)+(y*y) doesn't work when -1 A few questions about harddrives: 1) What kind of controller would I need for a NEC D5124 or NEC D5126? The first is a 10 meg and the 20 a twenty meg. 2) Same for a 30 meg WREN CDC BJ7D5-A. 3) Can you buy the ATARI host adapter and how much is it? Thanks, Randy ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |\ | | _ | Randy Hosler |/ |-| /\ < | [] /\ randyh@hpsadpk |\ . | | \/ _> | \_ | (707) 974-3677 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 17:45:37 GMT From: mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: LNYX Message-ID: <473a5b70.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <8912020824.AA28364@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, V053QHYX@UBVMSC.CC.BUFFALO.EDU writes: > During an INTERESTING flight from BUffalo NY to NYC I opened up > the airlines(yes I hadto go on a few different airlines..!) On PAN AM in > their magazine their is an add for the portfolio!actually a 2 page add! > Didnt look like something atari would do..It Actually Looked Professional!! > and guess what?!On my Continental flight their was also an add in their paper! > Jeremy I saw a 2 page ad for the Atari Portfolio in the TWA Airline magazine on my flight from Phoenix to ST Louis on the 16th of November 1989. It was probably the same ad as mentioned above. Goes to show you that Atari CAN advertise if they want to. I guess the ST just isn't worth advertising here in the States :-). -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 15:35:20 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caesar.cs.montana.edu!blake!r amsiri@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) Subject: Spreadsheet or Finance Package? Message-ID: <4751@blake.acs.washington.edu> I am hoping somebody can help me make a decision. My father-in-law would like me to put his apartment managing business/accounts on the ST. I think there are 25-30 some odd units involved. Realizing the differences between a spreadsheet and a business-finance package like Phasar or something.. what format would serve best to keep track of apartment income vs. apartment expenses.. and then be able to handle taxes at the end of the year with little effort? He is approaching 70 years, a program that doesn't take too long to learn and implement would be best for him. His set-up is a 1 meg 1040ST with a 50 meg Seagate 157N. Both mono and color. Suggestions for programs? Thanks in advance. -kevin ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 17:38:40 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.oh io-state.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: Ultrascript experience Message-ID: <473a552d.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <8912020804.AA27404@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 01659@AECLCR.BITNET (Greg Csullog) writes: > One netter asked if anyone had UltraScript experience. One work group at my > company is PC based but one Atari enthusiast convinced the group to buy a Mega > an SLM804 and UltraScript. Now, the PC users direct their PostScript files to > the ST and everyone is VERY happy with (i) the quality and (ii) the cost > effectiveness of the system. We have a lot of STs on site and the SLM804 has > wowed a number of people - hopefully we can get more on site. > Actually, with the new TOS 1.4, you should be even better off. TOS 1.4 can format, read, and write REAL IBM 3.5" and 5.25" floppies. So, transferring files to the Mega ST to be printed on the SLM804 should be a snap. Don't you wish that you could hook the Mega ST up to your IBM PC network (LAN) though?? That would really enhance your use of the Mega ST4/SLM804. > RE: Rich Covert, maybe it's YOU who has the problem and not Atari You are 100% correct, I do have a problem with the SLM804. That is, I used to have a problem with it. Now I don't :-). Well, first let me say that I sold my Atari SLM804 laser printer because of dissatification that I have had with it the last year. I don't want to rehash them here. Let me just say that the SLM804 is an EXCELLENT laser printer for ST only work. It is fast and is reasonable well supported by third party vendors (though not by Atari :-) ). the SLM804 does not work well with pc ditto (or even pc ditto II), prints at only 144 dpi with Spectre 128 (unless you buy UltraScript), and doesn't have LaserJet or Epson emulators. I bought my SLM804 in March 1988 for $995 from my local dealer. I would NOT have paid more for that printer. I am buying a Panasonic KX-P4450 laser printer for $1399 + $300 for the extra meg of RAM from a local store. For the extra $700 I get the following features: o Epson FX-286e emulator o Diablo 630 emul. o Panasonic 1092i emul. o IBM Proprinter emul. o HP Laser Jet Plus emul. o 11 ppm print speed o dual paper trays o 1.5 megs of memory in the printer (freeing up one meg of memory in the ST) o Downloadable fonts, 4 fonts internal o $35 toner carts every 5,000 pages o $90 developer every 13,000 pages o $189 laser drum every 20,000 pages o Optional envelope paper tray, other sizes also available Now, this printer is very well supported by Mac third party vendors.There are a number of commerical printer drivers for Mac and the LaserJetplus. There are plenty of printer drivers for the IBM and the Laserjet Plus. There are plenty of GDOS drivers for the ST and the LaserJet Plus. PageStream and Calamus support the LaserJetPlus. Plus, there are all of those ST programs which require an Epson printer. Now I will be able to use them with my laser printer. Heck, I could even use the Epson printer drivers for the Mac. I called IMAGEN and was told that UltraScript works fine with Laser Jet Plus printers. So, there again, I am not losing anythin by buying the Panasonic KXP4450 laser printer. And I don't need UltraScript to get 300 dpi printouts in the Mac/Spectre mode. I can use the LaserJet Plus drivers. All in all, the extra bucks that I am paying for the Panasonic laser printer are well worth it to me. And I am getting a FASTER printer (11 ppm vs 8ppm of the SLM804). So, if your local ST store doesn't sell the SLM804 for less than $1700, than you might want to consider the KXP4450. To summarize, the SLM804 is an excellent laser printer for a very narrow application (ST work). With the addition of UltraScript it is even better. But, for a few dollars more (in my case a new SLM804 would cost $1300) you can buy a more general purpose,faster, laser printer that will work with more applications on the ST and will work with David Small's Spectre and even with Bill Teal's pc ditto. Please look at other printers before buying the Atari SLM804. You might be pleasantly surprised at the laser printer market. -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #748 *****************************************